On the right is the Hornady Bushmaster .450 Seems rediculous to me that the 450 is legal and an HPR round isn't. The .450 Bushmaster is a rifle cartridge developed by Tim LeGendre of LeMag Firearms, and licensed to Bushmaster Firearms International. Sent from my XT1635-01 using Tapatalk . Rubber meet road, because if there is anyone point in .450 Bushmaster vs .350 Legend battle where one wins out, it’s here. Yes. I have also never had an issue with the rifle not cycling but I do only use five round mags loaded with three rounds. Recoil was light, and accuracy was much better than we expected. I have a bushmaster upper with a ruger muzzle device on a rock river .458 lower with a GL shock stock and mine doesn’t really have much kick at all. 2 of the impacts were from the deer running into the side of my car. The .450 Bushmaster is descended from the Thumper concept popularized by gun writer Jeff Cooper. Like the muzzle break the shorter barrels tent to be loud too. I’d call that enough for most anything one should want to put down with a 5 pound carbine. Why not compare 450 Bushmaster to 12 ga slugs, because that’s the real choice for actual real world hunters? Hornady, Remington and Federal now manufacture ammunition for the rifle, and Starline manufactures empty brass for handloading. I have been to their facility and have seen with my own eyes the level of engineering and innovation that has been done to produce the finest .450 hunting rifles available. I can hard cast plain lead in whatever size needed for prototyping and testing, but jacketed bullets will still be needed, somewhere down the timeline. I have built 4 more for relatives and friends and if there ever was any problem with those rifles I would have heard of it. He isn’t from Michigan, though… I have found a great round for the .450, made by Black Butterfly ammunition. Also modded the uppers for a proper feed ramp and ejection port. Check it out and read what the people who really understand the cartridge and AR platform feel about it. Michigan. Nope, no way. Are there ‘better’ choices? To each his own but for me I have high hopes for the 450. I built mine from standard parts and used a mid gas, 20″ BM barrel. The .450 Bushmaster offers the legally burdened hunter a bit of edge in what should be a standard rifle zone. There’s slight taper to the body and the head is rebated. The 405 gr. Powder ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Accurate No. Almost looks like a rifle bullet! I just put a feeler out to RCBS to see if they would be interested in doing the chamber reamer. .450 Bushmaster (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 87 loads. Michigan State will always play second fiddle to Michigan. With mid length gas and 20 inch barrel bone stock gas,and bolt it ate everything I put through it. but we will be trying hard to catch up soon. The sign above reads, “bureaucratic compliance equipment.”. I have thousands of 12ga sabot slugs under my belt and if the ballistics of the 450 Bushmaster are as I believe correct then the 450 Bushmaster is the equal of if not slightly superior to the best performing 12 or 20gs shotgun sabot ammo available. The law looks at the side of the case along the datum line not the cartridge as a whole. The upper I purchased already modified for the fatter round for a mere few dollars more than a standard upper. Stupid iPhone, or fat thumbs, or…). It’s easy; the DNR wants as many coyotes killed as possible and only wants to control the deer herd. Just what you want in a battle rifle. I have counted 50+ deer yarding at one time in a cornfield more than once. Ill has us beat there . The largest boltface I can find in an AR bolt is the one for the 7.62X39. (Pro tip: they can’t.). https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/reloading/rethinking-the-power-of-the-410 Not only that, we have the best beer, the best beaches, the most culture, the best rivalries (U of M vs MSU), the most attractive women, and Tim Allen and Ted Nugent as our unofficial state mascots. The 450BM from Hornady uses the same bullets as those in the saboted slugs these guy rave about. The .450 Bushmaster was developed by a man named Tim LeGendre, who took the versatile .284 Winchester Mag. I have the Ruger American 450BM in SS with the 22″ barrel. I believe in the truth, and if the marketers don’t like it, too bad) As I am an avid reloader I can see what different hand loads can do. Many lever guns have limited accuracy past 150 yards, but the .450 BM is able to perform within MOA all the way to 200 and beyond. most of the guns I have seen chambered for it art very light and short barrel . case and ultimately cut off the tapered neck and shorted it to 1.7 inches. 250-grain pointed SST flex-tip bullet. Well, I have learned nothing but ranting and whining. Shooters who would never think of shooting a .416 Rem. And OFC, being in marketing, they haven’t the slightest clue as to the engineering problems they so create, since rare indeed is the marketer that can understand physics or math. Earlier this summer, Buffalo Bore released four loads to cover everything from deer to grizzly bear. In the rifle zone, there is nothing saying you can’t hunt deer with a 460 wby mag, but there are better choices. The same goes for the quality of rifles available, which varies considerably. And manages to piss off most everyone in the process…, Yes, the Creedmoor isn’t close to a 260 or 280 and no, there is no feeding problems with a 450 BM. My game plan is to put a block in it to make it single shot auto eject gun and use it to hunt for deer in IL in the most politically incorrect way plausible. “Night Moves” is the saddest song ever. Ammo is somewhat expensive and can be hard to find, unlike common rounds like .44 Mag. It hammers deer, I’d probably prefer 357 AR rimless max if major manufactures did pressure tests and got 358 rifle bullets hitting 2600 fps ie 180 grain Barnes. helmut in the bush. Hand fit everything together ( not slap together and go) I noticed right off the bat the AR 5.56 mag follower would not work. He’s on board to do the barrel. built and delivered an AR-15 in .45 Professional to Cooper. This is the kind of thing he digs on. Considering that most all deer hunting occurs inside 200 yards, with most in Michigan at only about 50 yards, it is certainly overkill. Flattened primers and face full of unburnt powder is all I can get to. The case is what makes it legal for these straight-walled (non-bottlenecked) zones, but it isn’t exactly straight. The round is very accurate and I agree its a great 200 yard round, if you get bolt only ammo or hand load 300+ yards. It didn’t hiccup once from the first round fired, EVER! Do you have access to manufacturing facilities that might be of use in this project? They just released a new AR rifle chambered for it. After blowing holes through deer with my 30-06 and 35 Whelen and tracking them all day I bought a 450BM upper for my AR. It is, in factory form, limited to about 200 yards in the hands of a skilled shooter, but with careful handloads can be pushed another hundred yards or so. I built my own AR 450 BM from various available parts. It works great on feral hogs!! If you want full pass through at 200 yards I would not use the Hornady Black, i does dump all the energy in the Deer but at the cost of none to low blood trail. Its like a short action scout rifle 375H&H. Been done. With a roughly a .100″ longer case it sits in the sweet spot with a 158gr or 180gr bullet moving at around 2300fps and recoils less than a 243. BTW, who might you be? It still shoots factory just fine as well and also cast if you powdercoat and gas check with sages outdoors gas check (made for AR). If you shot 12 gauge shotguns regularly and can still handle one with 1-1.5 oz slugs, you won't have any trouble with a 450 BM without a brake. The 450 Bushmaster was one of the primary standard cartridges to get popular for jolt activities and AR-style rifles. The .450 Bushmaster is descended from the Thumper concept popularized by gun writer Jeff Cooper. So many in fact that we have had to have them culled out of season to thin the herds I delivered newspapers in the early mornings in western Washtenaw County (just outside Ann Arbor) for about 10 years, and during that time hit 7 of them with my little car. How can other states even compete? The .450 Bushmaster has come of age and is making waves. Some of the best whitetail deer hunting in the country is in S.E. The beginner to the .450 should know that they ought to buy a factory-made .450 rifle, and a bolt-action at that. 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf: Rifle Selection. I also own a Ruger American in 450BM and couldn’t be happier. Nothing magical about the 450 Bushmaster but they're generally more accurate than a slug gun and more convenient than a muzzleloader. It’s comparable to a .45-70 and is relatively violent in terms of how much it drives into the shoulder. Knowing what needs to be tweaked saves a lot of frustration. Love it never haf a problem with the round or the firearm. It’s called a 350 Legend. That’s just irresponsible. But Tom never rode a bull bison onto the stage in a loincloth. Other then a few firearms chambered for it. Hell yes it recoiled more, DUH that was expected. Hornady unveiled the Subsonic line back in 2018 with a single .300 Blackout offering, and followed up last year with 175-gr. You have our attention as well. It cuts recoil, but it increases blast like you wouldn’t believe. .450 Bushmaster Vs .350 Legend Cost. The polymer mags are even smoother then the included metal ones. I would say the perceived recoil of 450 bm is quite near my remington 870 20ga shooting slugs with no recoil reducing additions. AR Rifles: Bushmaster, Remington, Windham, and many others make good quality AR rifles for the .450. Wondering why someone would want a 450 Bushmaster is like asking why you would want Thor’s hammer. Do I need it? It is a fun round that you KNOW you’re shooting. Another benefit the .450 has it that it is generally pretty accurate. He could have made a better choice in Charlton Heston and Tom Selleck. This means that the case body isn’t supported by the magazine lips along the whole length. I have had very few opportunities at over 125 yard in southern mi. The .450 BM is sort of the Star Wars: The Last Jedi of the cartridge world. 5 rounds or #4 shot shreds up the targets … Really the 450 has similar MPBR to a 20 ga slug. in 45 cal, the idea of ballistics is almost irrelevant unless you have ultra magnum amounts of case capacity to drive the higher bc (we’re talking 450g +) projectiles anyway. Rifles and ammo are on the shelves now. They would be adequate for deer without beating up the gun or the shooter. 450 Bushmaster is the big bore good of AR , in fact I wouldn’t own one if I couldn’t fire off fifteen in a row without stopping. That might just be doable, but the marketing moguls dictate that the .458 bore size is better known, thus easier to sell. I love the round and have killed 6 deer with it and never had to track one. I enjoy that the .450 has brought a level of sport back to some otherwise foolish and idiotic trends in hunting. The answer is in the case. SHOULD .450 Bushmaster be the best rifle round legal in Iowa? It’s not exactly a classic, but one day it might get there. These two are probably more similar than different, but the devil is in the details. 4) has WAY better ballistics than .44 mag or .357 mag -and you can’t build an AR for them anyway -and the least espensive levergun for those is approaching $1,000, or at least $700 (and the Ruger American in .450B at around $500 is NOT second class rifle, either.). A semi auto 45-70 that never gives a minute of trouble is unbelievable. Recoil is NOT bad at all with a proper setup. There are ballistic tables in the Hornady reloading manuals. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. But I do prefer to sticking to the basics. As far as rifles for this round go, you can find them from an increasing number of makers, but I’ll give you the highlights here: Ruger: In addition to their Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle, which may be one of the best medium-range hunting rifles you can own today, they also make their affordable Ruger American Rifle Ranch model in .450. I have shot numerous 450s out to 300 yard target shooting and all of them shot sub-moa groups at the 300yd mark using factory ammo! I have also put the 300 XTP MAG loads in front of 46.0g of Lil Gun and absolutely walloped a good water buffalo, the bullet making a lump in the other side of the still beast where it was easily recovered. It can be shot out of as classy a rifle as the Ruger No. Winchester Super-X Slugs X413RS5 3-inch .25-oz. ; ). Your article is misinformed put a real scope with turrets on a 450 bushmaster dial up 21 moa and your hitting 8 in plates at 400 yds 44 mag is nothing close too a 450 . I’d like to see some dedicated hot bolt-action loads that have a longer OAL to prevent them from fitting in an AR mag at some point in the future. Im an Australian hunter and have shot many good years with my 45-70 levergun, but two years ago I wanted to jump on the ‘Scout Rifle’ wagon but owned a lot of 308 bolt guns already. “The Bushwhacker has about exactly the same taper as a .223, so I’m guessing it’s the rebated rim that’s the problem.”.
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